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    #31
    It sounds very fair ... I do not have the ego as high as you think and, even if you do not believe it, it moves me the same as you: The search for knowledge about this Decoration on which everything has not yet been written and try to make knowledge that right now we only have a few do not miss and can help future generations of collectors. Of course I am able to realize that I can be wrong in some aspects and try to reason as much as possible taking into account my personal experience and the documentary evidence I can provide ... I only ask the same of you and any other user of this forum I'm interested in this matter.

    I must admit that now I am more focused on my other weakness: The uniforms of the Government and the German Diplomatic Corps, so I have forgotten the study of our beloved Order of the Eagle, but I will try to live up to it.

    a greeting

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      #32
      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...55#post8010055

      As promised

      cheers
      Peter

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        #33
        ok geting the hump

        OK let me now try to get my head around this.
        Soooooooooo what we are now saying is that Godet made the original first model
        in 37 for 6 months. using a stamp that differs from piece to piece.
        Then for some undocumented reason Godet stoped making them.(Deschler ) then steped up to the mark .Again without any documented evidence .they then again without any documented evidence stoped .
        Godet then again without documented evidence started again.
        All seems a bit far fetched for me .I happen to smell a rat.
        It seems odd to me that after all these years only 3 of these seem to have arisen from the ashes of the Fallen Third Reich.
        I do not seem to be able to find any reference to anything to suggest a 935 marking in any part of the history of the eagle order. Especially in the book published by Jesus. I do agree the pieces do look good the hinge set up as catch do look to be authentic Godet. Gentlemen I do honestly believe these are post war pieces. Or at best period copies.
        you can find a lot of later german silver wear with the 935 marking to it.
        I personally still hold the belief that only Godet EVER made this order and the flat pin set up that we see in the Questionable (Deschler ) produced ones were nothing more than an early Godet design that was re thought and re made using a different design. Maybe a different designer ???? maybe the old one retired ??? again there is nothing documented.
        The problem here is that we do not have a single boxed example ( or do we ) that says Deschler to it. Correct me if ime wrong /????
        we have strayed to far from the path without any real evidence apart some limp reference to a proven Deschler piece that I have never seen.
        I must admit I do love these items but we must be very sceptical about these things that turn up a few at a time ,just think about it .The first rush of these that were produced .There would have been a lot as Germany didn't have another award to give out . Just think about that long and hard .Lots would have gone to Spain yet none have turned up there ???????? bloody odd or is it just me being to dam picky ?????
        Regards Pete .Please feel free to rip into me knowledge is everything..

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          #34
          Originally posted by ironfist View Post
          .There would have been a lot as Germany didn't have another award to give out . Just think about that long and hard .Lots would have gone to Spain yet none have turned up there ???????? bloody odd or is it just me being to dam picky ?????
          Regards Pete .Please feel free to rip into me knowledge is everything..

          There you are wrong Peter ... I have seen some in Spain sold by the heirs of the winner, as this example with swords later placed by order of the winner.
          please participate better in the thread opened by Peter J. so that there are not two threads that speak of the same:
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            #35
            I return the thread .... it seems that E-Medals also recognizes this model as original .... Are all the experts wrong?

            https://www.emedals.com/germany-thir...-deschler-sohn


            I have to say that, in my opinion, E-Medals is wrong to say that it is a model of Deschler ... according to my knowledge, according to the shape of the hinge, needle and grip is manufactured by Godet early
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              #36
              As you can see in these features, the backs of 1939 by Godet and the back of the unit marked 935 are the same, on the right the Deschler design that does not look anything like any of the previous two
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                #37
                emedals has a very large selection of fake eagle orders.

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                  #38
                  Do you feel any need at all to back up your remark with any evidence or is your besmirching of Barry’s operation “self-authenticating”...

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by CurtD View Post
                    emedals has a very large selection of fake eagle orders.
                    Show me some and prove it ... it is very easy to accuse without evidence ... I do not put my hand on the fire for e-medals but I think it is very easy to secure something without providing proof of it .... What is it based on? you to affirm that these orders are false? ... If you do not agree with me ... prove it with more than words ... I have contributed photos of copies in the hands of the heirs of those who received those copies in their day. ... Show me some and prove it ... it is very easy to accuse without evidence ..What are the tests you provide to say otherwise?

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Rick C View Post
                      Do you feel any need at all to back up your remark with any evidence or is your besmirching of Barry’s operation “self-authenticating”...
                      I have another question for you: Do you smoke marijuana very often or only once in a while?

                      I like to provide evidence of what I say ... it's just that ... there is no plot or anything like that and I do not have to re-authenticate something ... there are many things that are not yet known and that, in time, will end trying on

                      Recently they also claimed that Deschler did not make Order of the German Eagle ... when they have provided convincing evidence that Deschler manufactured the orders of 1937 and no longer speaks of it ... I assure you that the same will happen with these copies

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by marisca lrommel View Post
                        Show me some and prove it ... it is very easy to accuse without evidence ... I do not put my hand on the fire for e-medals but I think it is very easy to secure something without providing proof of it .... What is it based on? you to affirm that these orders are false? ... If you do not agree with me ... prove it with more than words ... I have contributed photos of copies in the hands of the heirs of those who received those copies in their day. ... Show me some and prove it ... it is very easy to accuse without evidence ..What are the tests you provide to say otherwise?
                        Since you seem to know a great deal about eagle orders, then you should be aware of how the stripes on an eagle order ribbon should look. Now pick any of the ones on emedals. See any problems?

                        You might also want to search this forum for "emedals fake". Not many knowledgeable collectors are willing to use emedals as an authentication source.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Rick C View Post
                          Do you feel any need at all to back up your remark with any evidence or is your besmirching of Barry’s operation “self-authenticating”...
                          Are you talking to me?

                          Did you bid on either of these recent caps?
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=992971

                          How about the lollipop fake police tabs?
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=emedals

                          EDIT: Actually, I see you were that one the posted the thread on the lollipop fakes. Did you forget your "besmirching"?
                          Originally posted by Rick C View Post
                          Wasn't thinking of the acorns ~ saw them refered to as "lollipop" acorns in another thread here. Was the stems that looked all screwed up for me.
                          Last edited by CurtD; 03-01-2019, 11:49 PM.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by CurtD View Post
                              Are you talking to me?

                              Did you bid on either of these recent caps?
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=992971

                              How about the lollipop fake police tabs?
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=emedals

                              EDIT: Actually, I see you were that one the posted the thread on the lollipop fakes. Did you forget your "besmirching"?
                              I do not understand that you have to see a thread on caps and a thread on neck badges with what we are dealing with in this thread ... I did not participate in any of these two threads that you mentioned and yet says that I published these threads ... Where have you seen my pseudonym in them?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by CurtD View Post
                                Since you seem to know a great deal about eagle orders, then you should be aware of how the stripes on an eagle order ribbon should look. Now pick any of the ones on emedals. See any problems?

                                You might also want to search this forum for "emedals fake". Not many knowledgeable collectors are willing to use emedals as an authentication source.
                                You said that you sell German Eagle Order fakes and now you say that it's the ribbons that are fake ... here we do not talk about ribbons, so I think that appreciation of yours is still in this thread ... you may be right about the ribbons (I have not had time to look at the ribbons in emedals) but here we do not talk about this ... this thread has been opened to discuss the Order of 2nd class marked 935 that has no ribbon

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